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Jane Harmon: NY Times Should be Prosecuted
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Posted on 02/12/2006 9:44:59 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Jane Harmon: NY Times Should be Prosecuted

In a stunning break with her party, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said Sunday that the New York Times should be prosecuted for damaging national security by revealing the National Security Agency's top secret terrorist surveillance program authorized by President Bush.

"If the press was part of the process of delivering classified information, there have to be some limits on press immunity," Harmon told NBC's "Meet the Press."

Moderator Tim Russert then pressed: "But if [the NSA leak] came from a whistleblower, should the New York Times reporter be prosecuted?"

Harmon countered: "Well, it's not clear it was a whistleblower. You have to prove that first."

"If it's protected by the whistleblower statute, then it's protected," she explained. Harmon then added, however, that CIA Director Porter Goss recently said that the Times' sources don't qualify under the whistleblower statute.

"By the way, I deplore that leak,"

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; cia; espionageact; goss; homelandsecurity; jamesrisen; janeharmon; leaks; nsa; nyt; treason; whistleblower
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1 posted on 02/12/2006 9:45:00 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Russert tried to cover for the NY Times as expected.


2 posted on 02/12/2006 9:48:34 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Sub-Driver

--sounds like a good counterpoint to Congressthing Heather Whatever , the dimwit Repub from Mew Mexico--


3 posted on 02/12/2006 9:49:10 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Sub-Driver

Is Harmon up for re-election?


4 posted on 02/12/2006 9:49:34 AM PST by hattend (Muslims are the only people who make feminists seem laid-back. - Ann Coulter)
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To: hattend

Every two years.


5 posted on 02/12/2006 9:50:45 AM PST by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: Sub-Driver

This isn't the first time that Harman has broken with her Party. She has put our country ahead of the Dem party strategy in the past.


6 posted on 02/12/2006 9:50:52 AM PST by jazusamo (A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
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To: Sub-Driver

New York Times is the Al Jazeera subsidiary in New York.


7 posted on 02/12/2006 9:51:30 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: hattend

No, but she can read that 70 + percent of the American people support the president of this issue.


8 posted on 02/12/2006 9:51:52 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: jazusamo

I heard her speak last March in a panel discussion about foreign policy. I was surprised at how intelligent and fair she was. I regard her as a Lieberman-type Democrat.


10 posted on 02/12/2006 9:52:39 AM PST by Piranha
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Yep


11 posted on 02/12/2006 9:52:46 AM PST by hattend (Muslims are the only people who make feminists seem laid-back. - Ann Coulter)
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To: Sub-Driver

Harmon just lost her complimentary subscription to the NY Times. Guess she'll have to get the DNC talking points faxed directly to her instead of reading them in the paper.


12 posted on 02/12/2006 9:53:10 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: hattend
"Is Harmon up for re-election?"

Jane Harmon is a patriotic Democrat (I know, oxymoron, most of the time, but not in this case, I don't think). She was on the "Let's see if Bush was legal" kick for awhile (as is my own Republican nutcase, Lindsey Graham) but she is all for national security and is as fair as most politicians get, across the board.

She is a post 9/11 Democrat.
13 posted on 02/12/2006 9:53:30 AM PST by the rightgirl
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To: Sub-Driver

Positive news re Jane Harmon.

Russert continues to be an enemy of what is good in America while pretending to be a good guy.


14 posted on 02/12/2006 9:53:34 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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To: Sub-Driver
In hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee last week, Vermont Sen. Pat Leahy praised the Times leak, saying it revealed an abuse of power by the Bush administration.

Are people in Vermont proud of this moron? I'm sorry, but we REALLY need a good house cleaning in the Senate. We should start by taking out the garbage!

15 posted on 02/12/2006 9:53:51 AM PST by Just Lori (Oh my soul, be prepared to meet Him who knows how to ask questions.)
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To: Sub-Driver

hmmmm


16 posted on 02/12/2006 9:54:11 AM PST by wardaddy (Guns, God, Abortion is Murder, Private Property, Borders,My Culture, Break Islam....any questions)
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To: Piranha


As do I.


17 posted on 02/12/2006 9:54:32 AM PST by jazusamo (A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Funny how no one in the MSM seems to think that perhaps someone trying to end a shadow government coup being orchestrated by a CIA desk jockey and her mid level bureaucrat husband is a "whistleblower".
18 posted on 02/12/2006 9:54:35 AM PST by carlr
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To: Sub-Driver
When it comes to time execute selected executives at the New York Times (for espionage and treason), I think we ought to let Rep. Harmon pull the names out of a hat.

So far she's today's big winner.

(NOTE: Although the Democrats thought the Enron trial would serve as a good example to business executives so they'd take care to be more responsible in the future, I think it would be a much better example to business executives if a few of them were hanged for such treachery, and here's our chance to do it right).

19 posted on 02/12/2006 9:54:38 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Sub-Driver

It becomes more clear every day that the failure of Al Qaeda to strike the US again after 9/11 is driving the DNC and its media arm, the New York Times, insane. They want desperately for more of us to die on our own soil so they can attack Bush for it. Of this I have absolutely no doubt.


20 posted on 02/12/2006 9:55:28 AM PST by noblejones (Ben Stein for President, 2008.)
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To: ncountylee
Russert tried to cover for the NY Times as expected.

The sound of Russert's voice turns me off. This AM I was watching Olympic coverage while working out ... it transitioned over to 'Meet the Press' with Russert doing a voice over intro to the show ... at which time I scrambled for the remote. The last time I watched 'Meet the Press' was some two years ago when he was interviewing Collin Powell ... what an arrogant buffoon (Russert).

21 posted on 02/12/2006 9:56:44 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: Spanaway Lori
If there were any real vermonters left, they would have taken leahy and rammed him up the a$$ of an angry bull out in the back pasture long ago....
22 posted on 02/12/2006 9:57:15 AM PST by xcamel (One should hope Global Dumbing is reversible.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Unlike the stretched face Pelosi, Harmon is the real California girl, real and unblemished by the curse of unremitting vanity.


23 posted on 02/12/2006 9:59:02 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: hattend

Before I react too much to this newsmax article, I'd like to read the MTP transcript. Just to make sure we know exactly how Harman prefaced her remarks.

To answer your question: House members are always up for re-election, and believe me, if Harmon went to far astray from the party line, Nancy Pelosi will have Harmon recanting her remarks before the sun goes down today. It's happened before.


24 posted on 02/12/2006 9:59:40 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: Sub-Driver

We could see more and more actual Democrats who do genuinely love their country take bold steps such as this. Later on, the opportunists will follow suit. I see the challenge to Joe Lieberman in the primary as a kind of belleweather. If - as I would hope - Lieberman continues to hold his Senate seat, whether by beating back a primary challenge or running (and winning)as either an Independent or perhaps even as a Republican, that may well usher in the end of the Democrats as we know them today. Yeah, yeah, I know that Lieberman is too liberal on many issues to suit me, but we can argue those after we've won this war. Besides, this is a Northeastern state where the Republican would probably be just as liberal anyway.


25 posted on 02/12/2006 10:00:00 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Sub-Driver
"press immunity"

WTF is that?

26 posted on 02/12/2006 10:00:27 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Sub-Driver

In a stunning break with her party, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said Sunday that the New York Times should be prosecuted



Well she'll be getting booted out by Stretch any day now.


27 posted on 02/12/2006 10:00:54 AM PST by trubluolyguy (Where did they get those ref's, the WWE?)
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To: Sub-Driver

It's Jane HARMAN as in Harman-Kardon audio products.


28 posted on 02/12/2006 10:00:54 AM PST by tertiary01
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To: the rightgirl
My dad was a Harry Truman Democrat...
too bad there aren't a few more around.
29 posted on 02/12/2006 10:01:06 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Sub-Driver
" . . . should be prosecuted for damaging national security by revealing the National Security Agency's top secret terrorist surveillance program authorized by President Bush."

For the same reason they would've been shot if they published the plans for the D-Day invasion. Is there any difference?

30 posted on 02/12/2006 10:02:49 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: Piranha

You'd be wrong. She represents the area my office is located and is as far left and wacko as everyone on the left.

The difference here is that she is one of the one briefed on this program since 2003 and knew full well of it and what it was doing. She is not a idiot and knows what the NYT and the media did were totally illegal in revealing hte program and, how much it has hurt this country.

No one can hide from this crime and she knows it.


31 posted on 02/12/2006 10:02:57 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Piranha
What I found discomforting about Harmon was that after stating she was an attorney, when questioned as to why she did not being up the legality of the terrorist information monitoring program, she said she could not because she would have to discuss it with her staff about its legality and that would be a secrecy violation.

Why would an attorney (no matter her area of practice) have to ask her staff if it was illegal or questionable?

Sounded like a cover her ass statement for not having questioned it originally.
32 posted on 02/12/2006 10:04:58 AM PST by MiHeat
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
You got that right! The Socialist wing of the Democrat party is the one in charge - and hard as it may be to listen to and watch, it can't last. Socialism, I feel, can never win in this great country, maybe we're seeing that last gasp, that final push, before expiration.

At least I hope so.

George W. Bush is a great deal like Harry Truman, and maligned in his time. He'll go down as one of the greats, if history has any bearing on the truth.
33 posted on 02/12/2006 10:06:02 AM PST by the rightgirl
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To: Natural Law

Its called "self-dealing" amongst lawyers.


34 posted on 02/12/2006 10:07:21 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Mark down the date: A Democrat siding with America! Can I sit on the jury or be part of the Firing Squad?

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


35 posted on 02/12/2006 10:07:46 AM PST by bray (GW protects Americans while DinocRats protect Al Queda)
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To: Sub-Driver

Come on over to the lightside Jane


36 posted on 02/12/2006 10:08:22 AM PST by wildcatf4f3 (I'm becoming a performance artist so i can crap on the koran in public)
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To: the rightgirl
She was on the "Let's see if Bush was legal" kick for awhile

She sure was, but she back right off, didn't she? Which leaves me thinking she has been shown something that we haven't seen that changed her mind.

37 posted on 02/12/2006 10:08:27 AM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Spanaway Lori

I can name about 10 Democratic Senators whose defeat or retirement would improve this country by orders of magnitude. This is just one man's opinion:

Biden
Boxer
Durbin
Feingold
Kennedy
Kerry
Leahy
Reid
Rockefeller
Schumer

There are others, but these 10 seem to me to be the key motivators of Democratic obstructionism and anger.


38 posted on 02/12/2006 10:08:31 AM PST by Piranha
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To: Sub-Driver

It is my understanding that the intelligence community is exempt from the whistleblower protection laws.


39 posted on 02/12/2006 10:09:12 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: Natural Law
""press immunity"

WTF is that?



I don't know the technical definition but practically, it makes a difference whether or not the press is exposing wrongdoing.

As long as the NSA was only intercepting incoming calls from foreign terrorists then the leak is persuable against the press - they will have simply outed a legal classified program.

It's only if something really unfortunate came out - like if it turned out they were intercepting outgoing calls from u.S citizens without a warrant that press immunity starts to come in. If they were exposing serious criminal wrongdoing by the government then the public would likely feel they were justified.

So I think the administration is safe to pursue the leak assuming they know that they didn't do anything wrong.
40 posted on 02/12/2006 10:10:19 AM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: edcoil

Agree. Previously, she just said she wished the whole intel committee could be briefed, indicating she was getting some heat. I applaud her statment. The NYT overrode the judgement for secrecy of all elected leaders, dem and republican seemingly to make money. They should be prosecuted.


41 posted on 02/12/2006 10:10:48 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Piranha

Make that Feinstein, not Feingold.


42 posted on 02/12/2006 10:11:55 AM PST by Piranha
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To: Sub-Driver

The pinko commies at the NY Slimes will be exempted from any prosecution as usual.


43 posted on 02/12/2006 10:12:11 AM PST by Bullish (Proudly and consistently hating the Clinton's since 1992)
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To: Sub-Driver

I saw her on TV earlier this week. That's the first I've seen of her in a while.


44 posted on 02/12/2006 10:12:50 AM PST by Crawdad (So the guy says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this.")
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To: Sub-Driver
In a stunning break with her party, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said Sunday that the New York Times should be prosecuted for damaging national security by revealing the National Security Agency's top secret terrorist surveillance program authorized by President Bush.

Well, now Congresscritter Harmon will find herself in the crosshairs of MorOn.org.

45 posted on 02/12/2006 10:13:48 AM PST by JRios1968 ("Cogito, ergo FReep": I think, therefore I FReep.)
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To: Sub-Driver

How refreshing...loyal opposition that's actually loyal...


46 posted on 02/12/2006 10:14:03 AM PST by Skip Ripley
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To: ClaireSolt

When the story was released, it was noted that the President had asked the editor not to publish it. Is this still true? I briefed over the NYT article and they did not mention it.


47 posted on 02/12/2006 10:15:41 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Howlin
"She sure was, but she back right off, didn't she? Which leaves me thinking she has been shown something that we haven't seen that changed her mind."

She just may have. Also, I think she wanted to be sure of the legality, not because of being against George Bush particularly, but because she really does care if it's right or wrong. I have much more respect for her than I do some of my own Republicans running around up there.

But I do think you can tell who is serious, by how they react when shown the materials involved. They will close ranks and defend W if they have to, if it a matter of national security. Sadly, not enough in Congress have that sense of duty and patriotism.
48 posted on 02/12/2006 10:15:50 AM PST by the rightgirl
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To: Sub-Driver

It makes little difference now that the terrorists know that we were listening in. Another classified program compromised because of a newspaper with a ax to grind. It's Treason and those involved should be prosecuted for it.


49 posted on 02/12/2006 10:15:52 AM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: MiHeat

I have heard it before on this forum that Jane Harman is a decent, patriotic woman. She deserves to be credited for that.

Most likely, although she is herself an attorney, she may not have specialized in the particular field that is involved. Since the matter is so important, it would be natural for an attorney to consult with other attorneys and with experts in the field whom she trusted before opening her mouth and putting her foot in it the way most of the Democrats do.

In other words, more power to her for wanting to do what is legal and best for the country, instead of rushing to do whatever undermines the opposing party and pleases her colleagues and the press.


50 posted on 02/12/2006 10:16:15 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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