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Unruly schoolboys or sex offenders?
The Oregonian ^ | July 22, 2007 | SUSAN GOLDSMITH

Posted on 07/22/2007 6:35:08 AM PDT by hiho hiho

The two boys tore down the hall of Patton Middle School after lunch, swatting the bottoms of girls as they ran -- what some kids later said was a common form of greeting.

But bottom-slapping is against policy in McMinnville Public Schools. So a teacher's aide sent the gawky seventh-graders to the office, where the vice principal and a police officer stationed at the school soon interrogated them.

After hours of interviews with students the day of the February incident, the officer read the boys their Miranda rights and hauled them off in handcuffs to juvenile jail, where they spent the next five days.

Now, Cory Mashburn and Ryan Cornelison, both 13, face the prospect of 10 years in juvenile detention and a lifetime on the sex offender registry in a case that poses a fundamental question: When is horseplay a crime?

(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: discipline; donutwatch; education; govwatch; judiciary; justice; zerotolerance
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1 posted on 07/22/2007 6:35:09 AM PDT by hiho hiho
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To: hiho hiho

Good. Maybe their little all expense paid vacation gave them some time to think.


2 posted on 07/22/2007 6:37:09 AM PDT by stm
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To: hiho hiho

Cane them in the village square and then castrate them /sarc off

(no more of this boys-being-boys stuff.....we need more sissys, right?)


3 posted on 07/22/2007 6:38:37 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: stm

Bad. Extreme over-reaction.


4 posted on 07/22/2007 6:38:57 AM PDT by Defend the Second (Let Me Get This Straight: Illegal Invasion is OK, but Legal Expulsion is Not?)
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To: stm

“Good. Maybe their little all expense paid vacation gave them some time to think.”

What about, how the ‘justice’ system contains little justice, and how their lifetime of punishment far outpaces their ‘crime’?


5 posted on 07/22/2007 6:39:29 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: stm

So you think a Jr. High boy slapping a girl’s bottom is worthy of 10 years in jail and a lifetime on a sex offender’s registry?

I think that they should be disciplined, but this is going beyond too far.


6 posted on 07/22/2007 6:40:24 AM PDT by Hazwaste (Now with added lemony freshness!)
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To: Hazwaste

No but 5 days in jail will do the punks good


7 posted on 07/22/2007 6:41:47 AM PDT by stm
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To: hiho hiho
Thank God I grew up in the 50's and 60's.

If I was a kid today .... wait.. I wouldn't be -- I'd have gotten the Chair by the time I was Ten for some pc 'hate' crime, some made up 'sex' offense or making a 'Terrorist Threat' with my Nichols Stallion 45 cap pistol.

8 posted on 07/22/2007 6:45:37 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: stm
Throw the parents in jail and whole dang baseball team as well!
9 posted on 07/22/2007 6:46:33 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: hiho hiho

Thank god for prison rapists. A little forced sodomy will do these boys good and put them on the straight and narrow.


10 posted on 07/22/2007 6:47:33 AM PDT by jootz
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To: hiho hiho

I suppose “noogies” and Indian (excuse me, Native American) burns are right out too?

That school sounds like a sterile source of amusement.


11 posted on 07/22/2007 6:49:21 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus ("Eat yer groatcakes, Porgy!" "Heavy on the thirty weight, Mom!")
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To: Hazwaste

The police should have told the school administration to piss-off...


12 posted on 07/22/2007 6:49:39 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Hazwaste

“I think that they should be disciplined, but this is going beyond too far.”

Agreed however this is their first year in middle school (Jr High) ... times have changed I guess ... but I would think that “first year students” would be a bit more reserved and be learning from their upper-classmates what is acceptable and what is not.

Something is missing here.


13 posted on 07/22/2007 6:50:05 AM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: stm
Good. Maybe their little all expense paid vacation gave them some time to think.

They did not break a law. They broke a rule.

14 posted on 07/22/2007 6:50:45 AM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: Condor51
Thank God I grew up in the 50's and 60's.

Amen. 50's and early 60's were the best time to be a kid.

15 posted on 07/22/2007 6:50:55 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: hiho hiho

As I was reading, I was thinking - gee, this article is about some elementary-aged boys, maybe 2nd - 4th grade, who were just playing around (I still remember some of the things “we” did at that age).

But then I read that this was 7th graders. Considering I know of children of that age who are already engaging in sexual acts, I would take this quite seriously.

For those of you who would choose to believe that 7th graders “don’t mean anything by it” - you had better open your eyes and see reality. Kids have been indoctrinated into the sexual freedom program (safe sex training in elementary) and have no guidance from home - and thus are engaging in activities most of us didn’t even dream of at earlier and earlier ages.

Now- is a criminal record and/or time in juvenile hall merited - I don’t think so. But on the other hand, this isn’t the “Innocent game” that it might have been 30 years ago... Hours of interrogation, and being hauled off in cuffs was probably a bit excessive. But a foot has to be put down. I would just prefer the foot didn’t have a jack-boot on it.


16 posted on 07/22/2007 6:51:39 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: stm
No but 5 days in jail will do the punks good.

And keeping you off a jury will do the country good.

17 posted on 07/22/2007 6:52:42 AM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: hiho hiho

One day in after-school detention would’ve been enough.


18 posted on 07/22/2007 6:53:17 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: hiho hiho

In my day when this happened you let them know you didn’t like it, if they did it again you had your big brother beat them up.


19 posted on 07/22/2007 6:57:57 AM PDT by tiki
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To: processing please hold

“Amen. 50’s and early 60’s were the best time to be a kid.”

Naa - 40’s and 50’s - Pre TV was the best! One used their creativity and had fun.


20 posted on 07/22/2007 6:59:18 AM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: stm

MORE than sufficient punishment right there.


21 posted on 07/22/2007 7:00:09 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: TheBattman

I wasn’t there, but my guess is they just thought they were being funny. I share your concern about the sex ed teachings in schools these days, but this sounds like one of those ha-ha-ha-gotcha joking around behaviors. It warrants a sent to the principal’s office and maybe even detention for one day. Unless there’s more to the story that’s not mentioned in the article...


22 posted on 07/22/2007 7:00:44 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: hiho hiho

Ridiculous. Minor sexual horseplay. All part of the feminization of America. Castrating young boys.

Reasonable punishment? One day’s suspension or a stern lecture...if that


23 posted on 07/22/2007 7:01:37 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: tiki

“if they did it again you had your big brother beat them up.”

And it worked! But that was long ago in a universe far away.


24 posted on 07/22/2007 7:02:59 AM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: hiho hiho
For Joe Cornelison, a single dad who is a press operator for the McMinnville News-Register, the prosecution made no sense. He scrambled to come up with $10,000 for legal fees and knows he's going to have to pay more in the coming months. "I don't understand how they can do this," he said. "I just tell Ryan to trust me -- I am working on this."
25 posted on 07/22/2007 7:06:09 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Bobibutu

I wasn’t around in the 40’s but I bet it was great being a kid then. I don’t think we lost our innocence as a nation till the late 60’s. The early 60’s were fun to be a kid in though. I still bear the knee scars from my childhood caused from bicycle crashes. lol


26 posted on 07/22/2007 7:06:18 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: hiho hiho

Insanity.


27 posted on 07/22/2007 7:07:32 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Condor51

I was a teenaged prevert.


28 posted on 07/22/2007 7:07:33 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Bobibutu

F Patton Middle School
Public school · Grades 6-8 · 730 students
1175 E 19th St, McMinnville, OR 97128
(503) 565-4500
District:McMinnville School District 40
http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/browse_school/or/685

“however this is their first year in middle school (Jr High)”

Correction: 7th is the second year for them ... Hmmmmm


29 posted on 07/22/2007 7:09:02 AM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: stm
“10 years in juvenile detention and a lifetime on the sex offender registry” sounds like a little more severe than a “little all expense paid vacation.”

But, then, I can see that you’re all in favor of the feminization of America.

30 posted on 07/22/2007 7:09:51 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: ExtremeUnction

You don’t think they broke a law?

Try going up to someone on the street and swatting them on the behind.

People tend to think all laws are suspended in the playground.


31 posted on 07/22/2007 7:10:06 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: hiho hiho

I think the boys should have to line up and let the girls spank them, then everyone is even. :)


32 posted on 07/22/2007 7:11:01 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: ladyjane

p.s. Yes the punishment is too severe.


33 posted on 07/22/2007 7:12:01 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: hiho hiho
I remember back in 1991, I nudged a female friend of mine in the hallway with my foot as she was crouched down at her locker. I came up behind her to do it (like 'suprize, it's me'), and yes, my shoe was technically on the upper buttock rather than lower back. But none-the-less, my liberal Economics teacher came screaming over to inform me of the concept of sexual harrassment in my face, froth and all. I guess that was one of my first realizations of the evil of PC liberalism, and were this country was cerainly doomed to go.

It is rapidly becomming illegal to show any form of sexual interest (pats, kissing, soon hand holding no doubt etc) between heterosexual teens, despite the fact that they go through puberty years earlier. At least in the past it was something parents took care of, but now it's all about state involvement. As the age of maturity increases in this country, one will have extrapolate out to age 25 before legal sexual intercourse between consenting heterosexuals is allowed by the state. I stress heterosexual, because we know public scohools encourage homosexual behavior, and they will back off in those instances.

Actually I'd be pretty confused if I was a teenager theese days. Sex Ed promotes sex, but if teens then try to explore it in any way (however minor), they get hauled off to the police and put in a sex offender registry.

Soon a quater of the population will be in the sex offender registry, we'll have to make another one and call it "the REAL sex offender registry" and reserve that for the real rapists out there.

34 posted on 07/22/2007 7:12:20 AM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
“What about, how the ‘justice’ system contains little justice, and how their lifetime of punishment far outpaces their ‘crime’?”

Face it, for the people in favor of this kind of treatment for boisterous boys, their crime is that they’re not girls. They would forgive them if they acted like girls, but that is their only hope for forgiveness. Be sissies or pay the price.

35 posted on 07/22/2007 7:16:11 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: stm

Geez, I’d hate to see what you’d do to them if they swiped a cookie.


36 posted on 07/22/2007 7:16:31 AM PDT by Sender (Be subtle! Be subtle! And use your squirrels for every kind of business.)
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To: processing please hold

” I bet it was great being a kid then.”

Yeppers - go anywhere without any worries alone or with a friend or 2. Only rule - be home by 5:30 for dinner. Things started degrading in the late 50’s in my experience.


37 posted on 07/22/2007 7:17:15 AM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: TheBattman
Kids have been indoctrinated into the sexual freedom program (safe sex training in elementary) and have no guidance from home - and thus are engaging in activities most of us didn’t even dream of at earlier and earlier ages.

I'd go with the "no guidance from home" part: kindergarten and first grade teachers have noted that some of their students are coming to school & simulating sex acts on the playgrounds & using language most of us would find unthinkable from such small children, and the children have learned that at home.

When Mommy never married and has a string of boyfriends staying over, etc., what are kids going to learn?

38 posted on 07/22/2007 7:17:47 AM PDT by Amelia (Never argue with idiots - they'll bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: hiho hiho
This is part of the very real and open effort to castrate and feminize boys.

You simpletons, stm, go ahead, throw em in jail, cow the whole male population.

Now when jihad johnny, who was taught to field strip his ak-47 at five, gets here, his job will be done for him by these male hating pukes that run the schools.

Hope these b!tches like burkas.

39 posted on 07/22/2007 7:20:18 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: tiki

Where I went to school, if the girls didn’t like it THEY would have beat them up! Then the girls’ boyfriend would have had his turn. Problem Solved!

What CRIME was committed here? If they would have murdered one of the girls they would have gotten off easier.

Yes. Not only are the lunatics running the asylum, they now own it.


40 posted on 07/22/2007 7:20:36 AM PDT by mark3681
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To: ladyjane

I used to snap bra straps when I was in school.

I learned how to run real fast too.

Never got “jail time” though.


41 posted on 07/22/2007 7:22:38 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: hiho hiho
When is horseplay a crime?

When it's race based. /s

42 posted on 07/22/2007 7:22:45 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: ladyjane
“People tend to think all laws are suspended in the playground.”

I would bet that these boys will do their best to avoid casual contact with women forever. They sure as hell won’t want any of those humorless feminazi’s around them in the workplace — and, if he or some of his friends should become managers in business someday, women won’t understand why none of those guys want any of them around.

43 posted on 07/22/2007 7:23:51 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Al Gator
I used to snap bra straps when I was in school.

If snapping bra's is an issue then bra's should be banned.

It worked for gun's...

44 posted on 07/22/2007 7:24:39 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Al Gator

Ahhhhhhh! Those were the days.

How many pencils did you drop in class???


45 posted on 07/22/2007 7:24:53 AM PDT by mark3681
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To: Amelia
"No Guidance from home." And where does the home get its guidance from? God?...Hollywood? Apparently it's the latter these days. This God Vacuum is destroying our society, as the state feebly tries to fill the gap.

Practically every thread on FR boils down to that..(even the the terrorism ones too. Christian Vacuum?...Hello Islam.)

46 posted on 07/22/2007 7:26:09 AM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: hiho hiho

School choice bump


47 posted on 07/22/2007 7:27:12 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Live Earth: Pretend to Care)
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To: mark3681

Oh God, not only could I not hold onto a pencil, but the buggers rolled really far too!

Then came plastic straws in the lunchroom and that revolutionized the art of the well placed spitball.


48 posted on 07/22/2007 7:28:13 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: hiho hiho
The two boys tore down the hall of Patton Middle School after lunch, swatting the bottoms of girls as they ran --

They missed butt swatting training because the school was short of cucumbers in condom training and they were held back in their previous class.

49 posted on 07/22/2007 7:29:31 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: processing please hold
**** Amen. 50's and early 60's were the best time to be a kid. ****

Yes, I think they were.

I recall how my mom said the late 20's and 30's were 'safer' (This was in Chicago during the Capone wars and Dillenger) as you didn't have to lock your doors at night and the gangsters only killed gangsters, and sex preverts(sic) didn't roam at will. That's all well and good but heck, most had zero or only the basics because of FDR's Great Depression.

But 'we' were there when everything good and cool literally exploded into existence: hi-fi and stereo, 'Webcor' Reel to Reel Tape Recorders, better televisions (Magnavox 27" B&W) and then color tv. Schwinn Bicycles & 'English Racers', the coolest 'Toys' ever, cars like the '57 Chevy and residential Air Conditioning (most everyone could afford a window unit).

And we could pretty much roam the neighborhood from daybreak to when 'the street lights came on' :-)

50 posted on 07/22/2007 7:29:36 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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