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The Debate's Crucial Subtext: Reaction Shots
Frontpage Magazine ^ | 09/26/08 | David Horowitz

Posted on 09/27/2008 5:01:52 AM PDT by garyhope

Posted at 10:49 PM on 9/26/2008 by David Horowitz

The Debate's Crucial Subtext: Reaction Shots

Call me strange but I think undecided and swing voters are more swayed by character than by issues. The issues voters are already committed. Watching the debat this evening I was struck by the inability of Obama to keep his cool when his positions were challenged by his opponent. During the second half of the debate he was rattled and lost his composure almost every time John McCain contested or contradicted what he said. Scowls, inappropriate smiles, shaking of the head, rude interruptions betrayed the inner roiling of the presidential aspirant's emotions. It reminded me of Gore's unhinged performance in the 2000 debates. None of the TV pundits I watched even mentioned this. But to my mind the crucial question the debate posed was this: Is this a man you would feel safe entrusting with the most powerful position on earth in the midst of the greatest challenges this nation has faced in a generation? That's still the question that swing voters will answer and in my view will decide this question.


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Who's more "Presidential", McCain or Obambi
1 posted on 09/27/2008 5:01:53 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: garyhope

So, did 0be give McCain the subtle bird?


2 posted on 09/27/2008 5:03:31 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Palin for President! (PUMA))
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To: garyhope
I noted two things with 0 - he had a much less detailed grasp of history and the world around him than McCain did. He also didn't seem to able to stand it when McCain challenged him directly by saying things like "Senator Obama is naive". His ego was directly on display there, and it's not a pretty thing to see.

My favorite comment of the evening, though, was in saying that 0 doesn't know the difference between strategy and tactics. To anyone who does know the difference, it was a b!tch slap to the man who would be the CIC of America's Armed Forces.

3 posted on 09/27/2008 5:07:37 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (0bama's past associations need a good "Ayering out".)
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To: garyhope

Obama sure gets rattled easily.

My favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F-PMY72luY

Watch his eyes bug and he kind of gulps. It is so weird.


4 posted on 09/27/2008 5:07:44 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: garyhope

It was pitiful, really......and to hear the talking heads afterward even implying that Obama “won” the debate was simply laughable. He was amateurish, boorish, childish.....as I said on another thread, WAY out of his league.


5 posted on 09/27/2008 5:08:02 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Hardastarboard; TigersEye; floriduh voter; slag

“He also didn’t seem to able to stand it when McCain challenged him directly by saying things like “Senator Obama is naive”. His ego was directly on display there, and it’s not a pretty thing to see.”

Smack!


6 posted on 09/27/2008 5:10:40 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Fannie + Freddie = Democrat Cronies [Dodd and Obama -- the LegisLOOTers])
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To: garyhope

Thank you for the thread. I sometimes prefer to read reactions than to listen with my own bias. FRegards ....


7 posted on 09/27/2008 5:11:41 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Fannie + Freddie = Democrat Cronies [Dodd and Obama -- the LegisLOOTers])
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To: garyhope

I agree with David on this one. I can’t explain it, I just know it when I see it


8 posted on 09/27/2008 5:12:31 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. FReerepublic,com baby)
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To: garyhope

The naive one was visibly uncomfortable as the knife stabbed deeply. The truth appeared painful and bothersome to Obama as it was laid out for all to see.


9 posted on 09/27/2008 5:12:46 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: Hardastarboard
My favorite comment of the evening, though, was in saying that 0 doesn't know the difference between strategy and tactics.

Mine, too, and yet I think it's a guy comment--men get it and appreciate the smackdown, but so far I've not heard too many women comment on it.

My female liberal friend, though, couldn't stop going on about how much Obama not knowing what name was on his bracelet. Drove her NUTS.

10 posted on 09/27/2008 5:12:59 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (What happened to my tagline?)
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To: RightOnline

I couldn’t care less who “won”. Of course the liberal media will call it for their man no matter what. But the important issue is temperment. Mac was forceful but not mean or out of control. Obama looked like he was going to blow a gasket (like he did the other night apparently during the bailout meetings). Mac was in command, and debated, seemingly, with one hand tied behind his back (i.e. having come directly from work—yeah theoretically so did Obama, but come on, who’s been working harder—again, impressions).


11 posted on 09/27/2008 5:13:13 AM PDT by scottinoc
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To: garyhope
Watching the debat this evening I was struck by the inability of Obama to keep his cool when his positions were challenged by his opponent

And, THAT'S what 144 days of senatorial experience buys ya.

12 posted on 09/27/2008 5:15:48 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: garyhope
Watching the debat this evening I was struck by the inability of Obama to keep his cool when his positions were challenged by his opponent

And, THAT'S what 144 days of senatorial experience buys ya.

13 posted on 09/27/2008 5:15:49 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: garyhope

Looking at the posts here at FR and the ones at DU during the debate. FReepers were high fiving at the end of the debate and the DU’ers had to wait until the main stream media got Baraks back before they started to feel a little better.


14 posted on 09/27/2008 5:16:33 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. FReerepublic,com baby)
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To: garyhope

Is anyone commenting on how much time Obama dedicated to preparing for the debate compared to McCain?


15 posted on 09/27/2008 5:17:00 AM PDT by mreerm
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To: garyhope

At one point, Jim Lehrer reminded the audience that one of them was going to be President in Jan. When the camera went back to each of them, I asked myself. “Who looked more presidential?” Which one would the voters feel more comfortable about having as their President? Side by side, which is a picture we don’t see often, Obama looks very young and inexperienced, and McCain LOOKS more like a President.
The ‘undecideds’ will vote for McCain, or not vote at all.


16 posted on 09/27/2008 5:19:12 AM PDT by nuconvert (Obama - Preferred by 4 out of 5 Dictators & Terrorists// Rove>Biden is a Big,Blowhard Dufus)
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To: Hardastarboard; Allegra
To anyone who does know the difference, it was a b!tch slap to the man who would be the CIC of America's Armed Forces.

Beyond that. He said it was a tactic to cover failed management, rather than a strategy to win the war. What a POS. Then his constant contention that the political reconciliation in Iraq hadn't happened was absolutely ludicrous. You know how I know? Ask FReeper Allegra how many times she's been rocketed from Sadr City lately!

17 posted on 09/27/2008 5:19:45 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (My freq'n head hertz...)
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To: RightOnline

Kinda like Wolfson (ugh) appearing on FNC and constantly intoning that “the Uhmerikan people are on the side of the Democrats” regardless of the issue at hand.


18 posted on 09/27/2008 5:20:18 AM PDT by relictele
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To: garyhope

At the end of the debate, I thot Barry was getting down right rude—kept trying to interrupt when he disagreed... McCain is more Presidential.


19 posted on 09/27/2008 5:24:13 AM PDT by Freedom56v2
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To: Darkwolf377; Chieftain

Hey... lets not underestimate women...most women who are at ALL interested get it! Besides, more women than ever watch football, are in business and involved in financial matters of their household retirement.

BTW, they usually win arguments..in both strategy and tactics! ha.


20 posted on 09/27/2008 5:26:05 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: scottinoc

McCain missed a golden opportunity at the very start of the debate. He had the chance to tell the world about Obama’s ties to the Fanny may and Freddie Mac mismanagement by cronies of Obama, his ties to ACORN and ACORNS record of voter fraud. He would probably know all these things if he read Free Republic. I think he is a wimp.


21 posted on 09/27/2008 5:26:21 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: garyhope
Call me strange but I think undecided and swing voters are more swayed by character than by issues

Yep Prez elections are personality/character contests

Undecided know DIDDLY about the issues or they wouldn't be undecided
22 posted on 09/27/2008 5:27:26 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: RightOnline
It was pitiful, really......and to hear the talking heads afterward even implying that Obama “won” the debate was simply laughable.

The talking heads are all in the tank for O, and they are idiots. The Drudge poll with over 200,000 votes has McCain winning by a landslide (66%).

23 posted on 09/27/2008 5:29:52 AM PDT by vox humana
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To: garyhope

Last night after the Phillies game was over and after taking a late shower I turned on the Local sports talk show here in the Philly area ( staffed by liberals)and the host said the consensus was the Old Guy won


24 posted on 09/27/2008 5:33:42 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

You’re welcome.

Believe it or not, I missed the debate because of a prior dinner engagement with friends.

I just wanted the essense of the debate, not necessarilly the point by point “factoids”.

I think that’s how the election will be decided, by gut instinct.

Obambi, the left and the so called MSM scare and depress the hell out of me. I think if Obambi wins the election America and Western civilization may be doomed.

And you’re right about our bias. What is the pragmatic, empirical reality about the electorate and how they will actually vote?

It’s hard to know and my vast right wing conspiratorial paranoia obscures my objectivity sometimes. The leftwing MSM is so blatent in their bias and making so much continuous noise that it’s difficult to ascertain how the “average” John and Mary thinks and will vote.

I think this election is that important.


25 posted on 09/27/2008 5:35:13 AM PDT by garyhope (It's world war IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam. VRWC. TWP.)
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To: vox humana
The Drudge poll with over 200,000 votes has McCain winning by a landslide (66%).

Scary to think 34% are that delusional
BR>I wonder how much of the voting was unorganized political groupies rather than sites like Freerepublic DU etc
26 posted on 09/27/2008 5:36:07 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob

Yes, the “old white-haired guy” won soundly. Easily once the first 2 questions were out of the way and the subject was turned to international issues (which was what the debate was supposed to be about).


27 posted on 09/27/2008 5:36:39 AM PDT by meyer (Go, Sarah, Go!!)
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To: Hardastarboard
My favorite comment of the evening, though, was in saying that 0 doesn't know the difference between strategy and tactics.

LOL. I about fell off the couch when McCain said it.

I did notice "The One" responded by saying he did know the difference but then failed to explain it.

28 posted on 09/27/2008 5:36:59 AM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: Hardastarboard
My favorite comment of the evening, though, was in saying that 0 doesn't know the difference between strategy and tactics.

At some point I remember Obama interjecting that he DID know the difference between strategy and tactics, so there. LOL

29 posted on 09/27/2008 5:38:07 AM PDT by twhitak
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To: garyhope
Here's the crucial question:
Scenario:

New York and LA have just been destroyed by terrorist nukes that we have high confidence were delivered by Iranian agents.

A year prior the Russians entered into a NATO-style alliance with Iran. The Russians have threatened nuclear war with us if we take out Iran.

Who would you prefer on the red phone at that moment?


30 posted on 09/27/2008 5:38:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: bert

“The naive one was visibly uncomfortable as the knife stabbed deeply. The truth appeared painful and bothersome to Obama as it was laid out for all to see.”

In other words...The emperor has no clothing.


31 posted on 09/27/2008 5:39:04 AM PDT by blueyon (Every one should get their 15 mins under the bus)
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To: antisocial
McCain missed a golden opportunity at the very start of the debate. He had the chance to tell the world about Obama’s ties to the Fanny may and Freddie Mac mismanagement by cronies of Obama, his ties to ACORN and ACORNS record of voter fraud. He would probably know all these things if he read Free Republic. I think he is a wimp.

Last night's debate was focused on international issues. As a good politician, he knows when to use weapons in his arsenal. 0bama basically has thrown almost all of his talking points for domestic issues, which no doubt will appear again in debate #2 and #3. There will be time to mention those things in the next debates that will be focused on domestic issues.

32 posted on 09/27/2008 5:39:12 AM PDT by paudio (Nobody cried 'racism' when Swann, Blackwell, and Steele lost to white guys in 2006)
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To: antisocial

I don’t think this was the time for that. He can do it at a later debate, after the vote this weekend on the stabilization plan.


33 posted on 09/27/2008 5:40:13 AM PDT by nuconvert (Obama - Preferred by 4 out of 5 Dictators & Terrorists// Rove>Biden is a Big,Blowhard Dufus)
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To: Hardastarboard
My favorite comment of the evening, though, was in saying that 0 doesn't know the difference between strategy and tactics. To anyone who does know the difference, it was a b!tch slap to the man who would be the CIC of America's Armed Forces.

I also liked the throwaway line when McCain remarked "I don't have a Presidential Seal", a smack at Obamessiah's Seal, patterned after the Presidential Seal.

34 posted on 09/27/2008 5:40:24 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Popman

Immediately after the debate nbc got stumbling bumbling joe biden’s take. Joe quickly attacked McCain’s assertion that obama doesn’t know the difference between strategy and tactics, but didn’t really make much sense. Nothing new there. Then they went to Guiliani, who noted that McCain is determined to win on all fronts while obama’s strategy is to lose in Iraq so we can win in Afghanistan.


35 posted on 09/27/2008 5:42:30 AM PDT by new cruelty (I don't want my daughters punished with obama.)
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To: bushwon

Remember the Democratic primary debate where 4-5 candidates would raise their hand trying to get the attention of the moderator.

Obama kept raising his hand..........it was so wierd. There are only two guys talking, just wait for your turn.

Imagine him with Irani guy or Chavez. One of them is talking and Obama raising his hand to jump in!

Mr. McCain has earned to be the President.


36 posted on 09/27/2008 5:44:47 AM PDT by indianyogi
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To: Darkwolf377
My female liberal friend, though, couldn't stop going on about how much Obama not knowing what name was on his bracelet. Drove her NUTS.

Exposed Obama as a major phony. He goes on about this big emotional thing, and at the punch line can't remember the name?

Imagine your friend getting a line from a guy about how deeply connected he felt about her, and at the peak he draws a blank on her name? I could see that producing very bad reactions in women.

If we could get that exact clip on youtube and send it to all the women we know, that would sink Obama right there.

37 posted on 09/27/2008 5:45:40 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Hardastarboard
My favorite comment of the evening, though, was in saying that 0 doesn't know the difference between strategy and tactics. To anyone who does know the difference, it was a b!tch slap to the man who would be the CIC of America's Armed Forces.
You are so right. That was a great moment. Completely ignored by the media afterward as they fell all over themselves trying to say "no memorable lines tonight".
38 posted on 09/27/2008 5:48:04 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Darkwolf377
My favorite comment of the evening, though, was in saying that 0 doesn't know the difference between strategy and tactics.

. . .men get it and appreciate the smackdown, but so far I've not heard too many women comment on it.

It is interesting that you say this! Right before McCain made that comment I turn to my sister and said, "Oh for crying out loud! Ask the dummy if he knows the difference between a strategy and a tactic!!" When McCain said it a few minutes later she looked at me with surprise and then we both laughed at Zero's incompetence.

On a side note in reference to the looks and gestures of the Obambi . . .he was driving me crazy!!! When he would raise his finger to get Lehrer's attention and then when he wouldn't get it he would tighten his jaw muscles. Then the smirks and head shaking. I told my sister that people see these things, the arrogance that he should be ignored, the anger when he is directly contradicted.

I also got annoyed when he kept calling McCain, "John". It showed disrespect to a sitting Senator, at least in my opinion. I am thankful that McCain continued to call Zero, Senator Obama all night.

BUT! The best part was all the times the Messiah was looking directly at McCain when trying to make a point and all McCain would do is look straight ahead. McCain wouldn't give him the time of day and I think it pissed Zero off. It was priceless!!

There are really too many things Obambi did wrong and annoyed the heck out of me to list here. I am sure that some of you noticed things as well. McCain won, hands down.

39 posted on 09/27/2008 5:49:18 AM PDT by misharu (US Congress = children without adult supervision)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Obama did the "point 1, 2 and 3" deal several times, after which McCain would find an overarhing point ~ call it the Ur-point within which 1, 2 and 3 are contained, and tell a story about how he was involved in creating it or disposing of it.

Obama seemed to sense this and reverted to single point challenges.

That's when McCain would bring up a moralistic story and wipe the stage with Obama.

The wrist band comment came off rather like a whimper.

40 posted on 09/27/2008 5:50:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“over arch ing point”


41 posted on 09/27/2008 5:50:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: garyhope

Wonder if 0bama will come next time sporting the Reagan dew like Gore did in 2000?


42 posted on 09/27/2008 5:51:37 AM PDT by CommieCutter (THE BIAS OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA HAS FINALLY HIT THE MAINSTREAM!)
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To: mreerm
Is anyone commenting on how much time Obama dedicated to preparing for the debate compared to McCain?

Not really, but why was BO always looking away - into the crowd - from what McCain was saying as if someone in the audience had an answer sheet? THAT looked so stupid.

43 posted on 09/27/2008 5:51:46 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Sarah Palin is NOT worried about anything being above her pay grade!)
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To: antisocial

While I think McCain won the debate, I’m very wary of the battle ahead. The next debate will be on the economy (or is it the last one) and he could have set things in motion for that by beginning to hang ACORN/Freddie/Fannie around the neck of Obama and the Dems (and maybe effectively stop the provision of the current bailout proposal that tosses money ACORN’s way).

All in all, I was expecting something strong and certain from McCain last night about the financial crisis, and I didn’t here it. And, even though 0bama’s yammering was a whole lot of nothing, he sounded (and that’s all it takes with the undecideds sometimes) like he had a firmer grasp on things.

Having said that, I must now go vomit and rinse.


44 posted on 09/27/2008 5:52:03 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: antisocial
I disagree.

McCain may be a lot of things but he is not a wimp.

The debates are a chance to convince the undecideds by looking presidential.

A vindictive, fighter-pilot performance might be a chance to "get even" by going for the throat but it is not the image of consensus that a president in a deeply divided nation must attempt to convey to attract the swing voters.

McCain is wise.

He will win because of his experience, character and wisdom.

McCain knows: You let the rookie hang himself!

Inexperience and immaturity is always a flashing strobe light when the pressure is on. Most people can see it a mile away.

Ironically, John McCain was probably more of an egomaniac than Obama before his North Vietnamese capture and torture.

McCain became seasoned and tempered in the fires of his many years and all the setbacks and physical and emotional torment he has undergone.

45 posted on 09/27/2008 5:53:57 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: mware

Looking at the posts here at FR and the ones at DU during the debate. FReepers were high fiving at the end of the debate and the DU’ers had to wait until the main stream media got Baraks back before they started to feel a little better.


That proves who freaking THINKS FOR THEMSELVES and who DOES NOT!


46 posted on 09/27/2008 5:54:02 AM PDT by CommieCutter (THE BIAS OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA HAS FINALLY HIT THE MAINSTREAM!)
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To: antisocial
McCain missed a golden opportunity at the very start of the debate. He had the chance to tell the world about Obama’s ties to the Fanny may and Freddie Mac mismanagement by cronies of Obama, his ties to ACORN and ACORNS record of voter fraud. He would probably know all these things if he read Free Republic. I think he is a wimp.
Not a wimp. Just still making the wrong STRATEGIC choice, which is that he is going after Obummer but leaving the RATS alone.

If he continues with that STRATEGY, he will lose this election.

If he reverses that strategy, he will win.

Victory or defeat.

It's all in the hands of Senator John McCain. I urge him to choose victory.

47 posted on 09/27/2008 5:54:29 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: nuconvert

“He can do it [speak up about ACORN and Obama’s connections} at a later debate, after the vote this weekend on the stabilization plan.”

How can McCain raise this issue if he goes back to Washington and votes for a stabilization plan that allocates monies to ACORN?

Am I missing something or has this earmark been dropped from all discussions by the Dems?


48 posted on 09/27/2008 5:55:11 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: new cruelty
Then they went to Guiliani, who noted that McCain is determined to win on all fronts while obama’s strategy is to lose in Iraq so we can win in Afghanistan.

Rudy said it well.

I think many normal Americans know the light is finally at the end of the tunnel for Iraq and understand Afghanistan is a much different animal to deal with. Two different fronts and two different strategies

Obama painted himself on a corner with the left wing nutroots with his position on Iraq and now has to contort logic to fit his statements.

49 posted on 09/27/2008 5:56:27 AM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

He was looking for the telepromptor which is usually “overhead”.


50 posted on 09/27/2008 5:57:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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